The former Minister of the Interior of Aznar, Jaime Mayor Oreja, blames the loss of values and the equal marriage of the attack in Barcelona
GAYLES.TV.- It can be very bad, very bad appearance and the most homophobic of the dandruff thing, but what cannot, what should not be, is to put salt in the open wound that Barcelona has and for which it still bleeds grief, stupor, pain and indignation and that is precisely what he has done Jaime Mayor Oreja (I deny him).
To Oreja (we will call it this way from here onwards), he has been interviewed in The Spanishl and who was deputy and member of the PP until 2014, has illustrated us with his zafias reflections on the reasons for jihadism to attack in Barcelona:We have replaced values such as life, family, marriage. (…) The dominant fashion is to destroy Christian values. But it is not that some of us want a Europe in which there are only Christians (of course, of course, what would we do if not with European Bosnia and Herzegovina but with a Muslim majority, for example?), But that we can accept and defend that in Europe our roots are largely Christian ”.
And taking advantage of the fact that he has the microphone, he goes on to say that civilization in the West is in danger for things like equal marriage and without any shame blames the tragedy of the Rambla "those who say they want to create a new world order" because, and here Jaimito comes up, "they try to destroy the Christian values that have been the foundation of Western civilization. There a crack opens, the terrorists see that lack of shared values and decide to go on the attack to deepen our crisis". Take it now, without anesthesia or anything.
Of course if we start because the article headline is "The Spanish deserved to be explained the attacks in Spanish"... as if they had not been explained in Catalan, Spanish, French and English at all the press conferences! Or is it that Oreja would demand from Merkel that she prioritize the use of, say, English in her appearances so that everyone would understand her quickie quickie?
To use the pain of the victims and that of a whole people to release insidias and to say bullshit (it is already said), is to make the game to Islamic State that precisely seeks to fracture free, mature and democratic societies sowing terror and hatred and that and nothing else is what makes Oreja with his absurd, offensive and retrograde statements. Of course, it is not surprising in an individual who received the HazteOir 2010 award and that in his time as a Member of the European Parliament he opposed his vote to any issue related to the LGTBI collective: from the "Lunacek report" against LGTBfobia, to seek to deny the free movement of same-sex couples by the European Union. But the icing on his homófobo curriculum, the record is to have the dubious honor of having been the only deputy of the PP (yes yes, you have read well, of the PP), that voted against a simple testimonial resolution against the discrimination of the people LGTB.
Well, look, Oreja, the terrorist massacre of Las Ramblas, the unfortunate declarations of the media that have used the tragedy to mix churras with merinas and to hold the independence process responsible for the attacks and finally their reactionary and malicious declarations, have only helped to unite more if this plural society fits , integrative, diverse and courageous, a society that knows how to overcome pain with solidarity and with work, a society that shouts to the face NO TINC FOR! and if it is not clear what it means to open your eyes and stop the Ear (that laugh) next Saturday 26, to see if it is clear then what is an adult democracy, capable and cohesive.
Sources: losreplicantes.com, dosmanzanas.com, i am using the internet
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The surnames say who he is, the Greater Ear, the character of the most retrograde and absurd middle age, has lost his reason in a moment of reflection and action ,,,,
This big ear beard looks like a magnet, irresponsible reflection instead of showing wisdom and sanity
Do not look away and complicate things; the more you
It gives them subsidies, aid from Caritas, school canteens with food that "only" they eat, with immediate enrollment to study and that serves them only to move quietly through Spanish terrain and do not say anything because, "now" you are not a fascist but " racist »word used by the police in Torredembarra: one of the Arab centers in Tarragona… ???… Read and no, don't say anything at all because if you are not racist.?
I am not Spanish and I do not know Mr. Mayor, but out of curiosity I have read the article in "El Español" that you partially quote here and I cannot find the link you want to create between his statements and the LGBT community. If it is a misunderstanding, you can read it carefully again. Otherwise, you accuse without foundation. Once again, I do not know the former politician mentioned above, but the brief criticism he makes in this interview is not towards the LGBT community but towards those who militate against the values that define European civilization. And unfortunately, he is right. I have not found any homophobic words in his speech. He may have expressed them on other occasions but not in the cited article. Also, if you do not respect him for what he was, I refer you to a book written by Remi Brague, a world-renowned specialist in medieval philosophy, professor at the Sorbonne University. It is titled "Moderately Modern" and is a detailed diagnosis of the crisis in the West. The same ideas expressed by J. Mayor but detailed and well argued.
And, finally, yes, life, family, and marriage are independent values of the person who affirms it.
Unfortunately, Mayor Oreja is well known in Spain and also for his position against the rights of the LGTB community. Their "values" are contrary to our rights. Here is a small sample:
http://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/Grupos-ultracatolicos-manifiesto-totalitarias-defienden_0_592840951.html
Thanks for the link. However, the manifesto apart from being very coherent, is not a statement of the person in question.
I detect, with pardon, once again some errors in the reasoning that you propose.
One of them is that you compare the "values" of this person with the "rights" of a community. Comparison is impossible.
The second error is an ad hominem logical fallacy. You attack the individual, without adequate arguments to combat the ideas expressed in the article published in "El español." Ideas that under no circumstances hold you, the LGBT community, responsible for the attacks in Barcelona. The interpretation you propose is absurd and this is the result of a wrong reading of the aforementioned statements. It would be nice to be able to fight with logical, coherent arguments.
Good morning Soni. Coherent logical arguments are that effectively the state and the Autonomous Communities must enact laws that prevent what is unfortunately still happening in our country and that is that they continue to discriminate, mock in schools and especially attack people for their sexual orientation. It seems incredible to me that those who have written this manifesto who are so "familiar" do not understand that there is a need to make laws that protect lgbt children, who by the way are also their children even though they may regret it. Please stop using the rule of law. We just want to live with the same rights that the majority of the heterosexual population has always enjoyed. We do not ask for more. Just the same. Is it so difficult to accept it? We do not hurt anyone. Let them stop doing it to us once and for all.
José Luis has answered you perfectly. First. Mayor Oreja's "values" do affect our "rights" from the moment he held a political position that directly affects "our" rights. This is irrefutable. Second. You should revise your concept of the ad hominen logical fallacy because you have fallen for it yourself. Mayor Oreja said verbatim when asked who is responsible for the destruction of values:
Not trying to replace values such as life, family, marriage ... They attack us because they see us as weak, without cohesion. And we, the people who fight for LGBTI human rights, are what we want not to replace, but to expand these values. Ergo blames, among others, the LGTBI collective for the destruction of values. With which our argument is perfectly logical.
In reality, the one who has fallen into a formal fallacy is you by stating: "Ideas that under no circumstances blame you, the LGBT community, for the attacks in Barcelona." And it is because in a formal fallacy the content of your premise does not allow you to reach the conclusion you have reached (Ideas that in no case blame you, the LGBT community, for the attacks in Barcelona), because the relationship between the premises make the inference invalid. The failure does not depend on the content, but on the way in which you have linked the premises, and they are not false because we have introduced irrelevant and unnecessary ideas into our reasoning, but because there is no coherence in the arguments you have used.
So sorry. The title of your title says it all "The attack in Barcelona caused by gay decadence according to Mayor Oreja." It is you who affirm this, not this man. And you do it knowing that many will not even read the entire article. And yes, it is an ad hominem fallacy, because if a stranger without the antecedents of Mayor Oreja had declared the same verbatim, I do not think that you would have been able to establish this relationship between the content of the statement and your community and you would not have labeled it as retrograde and absurd.
As I said before, life, family and marriage are values in themselves, regardless of who states this.
a specialist in medieval philosophy ... sorry, we remain in the XNUMXst century ... let's see if you evolve, not everyone has been happy with those values you say ... there are bad families, bad marriages and the values who dictate them?
What an absurd and anachronistic lord.
What statements so absurd, anachronistic and unintelligent. Such faith cancels out intelligence. Withdraw once and for all from public life and leave society with diversity and tolerance